Muddy Waters

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  Apostasy Trial on YouTube - Undercover spycam part 1

  by RayPublisher in

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  for only the second time in internet history, a video recording of a secret jehovah's witness apostasy trial has been published online on the jwstruggle youtube channel.

  follow isaac's story here:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9rh6qux0o&feature=youtu.be.

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  Wow. Blind, deluded elders contradicting themselves and lying, lying. Yet believing their lies. Like taking to a wall. Full of double speak and they don't even realize it.
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  Where is it said , not to independently do deep study of scripture

  by william draper in

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  i do believe it is written somewhere in jw literature .

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  Marking, thank you. And was there not something also in a publication or KM that said we shouldn't even use other bible translations?
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  she passed faithful to the end to them!

  by jookbeard in

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  just found out (second hand of course) and by someone on here that my faithful jw mum passed away within the last couple of days, dont know the exact day, and what cause, she spent the last few years living with my fanatical sister, she was 65 and survived my father by 10 years, bitter, angry and hateful till the end and never as so much enquired or asked how her 2 grandchildren ever were , they are 5 and 7!

  feeling a mixture of emotions right now, they were lousy parents in all honesty, she suffered health wise so maybe its for the best, dont even know when the funeral is!

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  When someone dies or is very ill, I have been finding that you grieve for what was, or for what never was, or for what things could have been or will never be.... and the JW thing makes it worse because they deny you any form of closure or even honest communication. So those feelings of grief and anger can really bump and stick...

  I am very sorry because yes, dammit, this is going to hurt. And the JW things are going to piss you off. And any dealings with those heartless JW robots is going to be... surreal.

  I had a counsellor tell me recently that sometimes it helps to just take a moment and breathe. And just really breathe. Take in and out at least three good, long, slow deep breaths .... she says it helps "reset" something in the brain . Simple as it is, I've been finding that it has been one of the most helpful and tangible pieces of advice I have ever been given.

  Breathe...

  Walk gently. And know that we are here for you.
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  In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  what is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?

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  Muddy Waters

  It is also looked upon askance if a wife should, god forbid, sit on an AISLE seat. Any married sister who would be so brazen to do such a thing is totally showing her lack of submission and obvious usurping of her husbands headship.
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  In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  what is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?

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  Here's another JW wacky belief from not-too-long-ago about the "proper handling of and respect for" blood.

  Remember when JWs were counselled about needing to be so careful about blood even in our pet food or fertilizer? Yes, fertilizer. The stuff you put on ... the ground. This even though it was biblically-approved to pour the blood onto the ground.

  It was considered disrespectful to use fertilizer which contained blood processed in this way.

  But, now, fractions of blood are okay! - but only as long as you don't use any of your own blood or store your own blood. Take other people's blood (excuse me, blood fractions!) but never, never, ever help save anybody else or yourself by donating or storing your own blood.

  Makes me wonder if there is any new light now about fertilizer. Fertilizer is probably okay as long as it proceeds from the mouths of the....
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  2015 DC Invitation

  by pixel in

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  you saw it here first!.

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  Leaving-quietly, are you sure there will be 2 dramas about Jesus?? They must be listening to us here, because awhile back there were some posts here which mentioned that in all the org's histories of convention dramas (80-100 years or so), "Christ's brothers on earth" have NEVER ONCE produced a drama about Jesus. What a bunch of buffoons. And the pamphlet thing shows such a sad looking Jesus. Well, I guess he would be sad, watching all those people walking away from him!
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  I have a serious problem

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

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  i have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.

  i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.

  i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.

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  They are not respecting you, your family, or your "headship."

  It also sounds like you are putting all the onus and action on their side, by saying to your wife that they need to come talk to you. Perhaps it is time for you to talk to them first, armed with some legal advice & theocratic warfare, ha.
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  The "5 Pillars" of Witness life...

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  oh, there is one brother that keeps prattling on about "the 5 pillars of faith and worship".

  - prayer.

  - personal study.

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  I've heard this blather many times... The fifth pillar is "association" -- with fine, spiritually upbuilding members of the congregation...
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  I saw and heard something in a Kingdom hall I thought I would never witness!

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  when i was a kid i would hear religious songs on tv and start sining them... not knowing they were church songs... one day i started singing the hallelujah song (not sure the exact name of the song) my father quickly gave me a hard slap on the mouth and said if i ever sang that song again he would take his belt off and beat my butt until it was red!.

  well fast forward 30 years..... the public speaker was missing today and so tv.jw>org to the rescue.... instead they decided to play the new video about the last hundred years since 1914.. instantly the hall was filled with the exact same song i was punished for!

  yes a church song filled the hall for almost 5 minutes as we watch br.

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  No, Blondie, it is called "The Battle Hymne of the Republic" which begins, "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord..." and has a chorus which repeats the words, "Glory, glory, hallelujah..."
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  Trying to live the rest of my life without being bitter.

  by Bigdummy in

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  i'm new to this forum.. i was raised in " the truth" from age six and now i am in my mid 60's.

  my wife was born in " the truth" and is very strong in the religion.

  i have had many experiences during my lifetime with the other members of several congregations.

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  Muddy Waters

  Welcome BigD and thank you for sharing.... It is a hard and cruel awakening when you are older, my husband is 68 & and I am in my 50's.... So looking back is very ..... well very much a lot of things. :(

  We too, had doubts, but pulled them back in, assuming that "God's Organization" was always the best way to follow.... but some things just could never really be squared away. Like, blood fractions?? Really?? Yet you were still not supposed to store your own blood?? And the heavenly, angelic trumpet blasts in the book of Revelation being Resolutions made at certain assemblies back in the 1920's (these same resolutions that no one remembers or mentions?)

  And why did we not do more for widows and orphans if that was form of worship which God approved?

  Why did the "load" one carried in the congregation never feel refreshing and light?

  Have you read Crisis of Conscience? I'm almost afraid to recommend it to you, as it might make you plenty angry. But it was written by a former member of the governing body, and he was in his 60's too when kicked out.... He spent most of his life thinking he was serving the true God, even forfeiting having children with his wife. Oh boy, does he ever have some things to say, all documented. I read it with tears pouring down my face and have never felt so betrayed.

  A friend of mine says she believes we are all put here "to learn something" and that the religion must have given me something I needed in life. So I try to remember the best and good things about it, but then I also think of the high price and the things we can never gain back or recover, and I too feel very angry. And dumb. But stuff like that can hold us back from moving forward.

  Be gentle and take your time with your wife.... Keep reading, keep listening... and do not blame yourself for the path your life has taken, your parents really thought, as we all did, that we truly had the best way of life.